Comments on: Getting over fitna http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:25:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: redandwhitestripes http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-418882 redandwhitestripes Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:45:56 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-418882 "It’s not like I was expecting anything but racist drivel" At what point was race mentioned? "The version of Fitna that I saw was 10 minutes of bits of the Quran badly translated " No they were correctly translated. It's interesting that some Muslims always play the "langauge" card but never reveal their more accurate translations. “It’s not like I was expecting anything but racist drivel”

At what point was race mentioned?

“The version of Fitna that I saw was 10 minutes of bits of the Quran badly translated “

No they were correctly translated. It’s interesting that some Muslims always play the “langauge” card but never reveal their more accurate translations.

]]> By: El mapa del mundo » La yihad de los xenófobos http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-398843 El mapa del mundo » La yihad de los xenófobos Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:22:11 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-398843 [...] fugaz aparición del seudodocumental “Fitna”, obra del diputado ultraderechista holandés Geert Wilders, podría haber causado una tormenta [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (213.229.162.70) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP () and so is spam. [...] fugaz aparición del seudodocumental “Fitna”, obra del diputado ultraderechista holandés Geert Wilders, podría haber causado una tormenta [...]

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]]> By: Cosmic http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-398061 Cosmic Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:26:19 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-398061 Fitna also means trial. Not the legal type, obviously. Fitna also means trial. Not the legal type, obviously.

]]> By: SP http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-394688 SP Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:43:30 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-394688 "You’re talking about a small country that has largely grown out of taking religion too seriously having to deal with significant new groups of people who haven’t." From the polls and surveys I've read, the percentage of conservative Muslims among Dutch immigrants is extremely low, and the practice of things like FGM limited to a very tiny percentage among them. As for the Dutch and their virginal shock at religious nutters, they've got their homegrown ones too, and kind of invented some of this stuff: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062202015_pf.html And more on the Dutch Bible belt here: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0883252720070313 “You’re talking about a small country that has largely grown out of taking religion too seriously having to deal with significant new groups of people who haven’t.”

From the polls and surveys I’ve read, the percentage of conservative Muslims among Dutch immigrants is extremely low, and the practice of things like FGM limited to a very tiny percentage among them. As for the Dutch and their virginal shock at religious nutters, they’ve got their homegrown ones too, and kind of invented some of this stuff:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062202015_pf.html

And more on the Dutch Bible belt here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0883252720070313

]]> By: MC http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393704 MC Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:06:21 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393704 The film I want to see is the one reputed to be shown by Dutch immigration to prospective immigrants - it supposedly starts with a map of NL showing what parts are due to be flooded by global warming then moves on to naked people on the beach and guys kissing (don't know whether there are naked guys kissing on the beach). The version of Fitna that I saw was 10 minutes of bits of the Quran badly translated and juxtaposed with pics of 9/11 and London and so on. This is no more clash of civilizations than Bum Fights is the Rumble in the Jungle. Can someone post a link to the full version? Or would this force unbearable costs for extra security on the folks at Arabist? The Dutch do have valid concerns mind. You're talking about a small country that has largely grown out of taking religion too seriously having to deal with significant new groups of people who haven't. Wilders may be a clown -- and make crap movies -- but he's speaking to real questions, whatever we think of his answers. The film I want to see is the one reputed to be shown by Dutch immigration to prospective immigrants - it supposedly starts with a map of NL showing what parts are due to be flooded by global warming then moves on to naked people on the beach and guys kissing (don’t know whether there are naked guys kissing on the beach).

The version of Fitna that I saw was 10 minutes of bits of the Quran badly translated and juxtaposed with pics of 9/11 and London and so on. This is no more clash of civilizations than Bum Fights is the Rumble in the Jungle. Can someone post a link to the full version? Or would this force unbearable costs for extra security on the folks at Arabist?

The Dutch do have valid concerns mind. You’re talking about a small country that has largely grown out of taking religion too seriously having to deal with significant new groups of people who haven’t. Wilders may be a clown — and make crap movies — but he’s speaking to real questions, whatever we think of his answers.

]]> By: Viksit http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393699 Viksit Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:41:43 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393699 :) That last line sums it up really, really well! :) That last line sums it up really, really well!

]]> By: SP http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393479 SP Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:39:50 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393479 The unkindest cut (and the reason I figured it was too dumb to even waste a few minutes on) was the fact that Ayaan Hirsi Ali, CRAP extraordinaire, apparently said that the only thing the film wanted to do was provoke (see Ali Eteraz's cheeky review, don't miss the last line: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ali_eteraz/2008/03/the_fitna_farce.html) The unkindest cut (and the reason I figured it was too dumb to even waste a few minutes on) was the fact that Ayaan Hirsi Ali, CRAP extraordinaire, apparently said that the only thing the film wanted to do was provoke (see Ali Eteraz’s cheeky review, don’t miss the last line: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ali_eteraz/2008/03/the_fitna_farce.html)

]]> By: Curly http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393464 Curly Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:49:53 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393464 In an important judgement on a case dealing with religious freedom of speech in the High Court on 23rd July 1999, Lord Justice Sedley quoted Socrates and two famous Quakers when he declared: “The irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and provocative have a right to be heard.” The corporate and state organs have no right to decide on our behalf what we should read, watch, or hear, even if we find the material objectionable. The removal of Fitna from various webhosts was nothing but pre-emptive censorship! In an important judgement on a case dealing with religious freedom of speech in the High Court on 23rd July 1999, Lord Justice Sedley quoted Socrates and two famous Quakers when he declared: “The irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and provocative have a right to be heard.”

The corporate and state organs have no right to decide on our behalf what we should read, watch, or hear, even if we find the material objectionable.

The removal of Fitna from various webhosts was nothing but pre-emptive censorship!

]]> By: Media Districts Entertainment Blog » Getting over fitna http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393332 Media Districts Entertainment Blog » Getting over fitna Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:28:18 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393332 [...] The Arabist added an interesting post on Getting over fitnaHere’s a small excerpt [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (74.86.121.50) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP () and so is spam. [...] The Arabist added an interesting post on Getting over fitnaHere’s a small excerpt [...]

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]]> By: Erik http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393331 Erik Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:27:08 +0000 http://arabist.net/archives/2008/04/01/getting-over-fitna/#comment-393331 I was a kid in the 80s in Flanders, but I can't remember having ever seen anything like the sticker you describe. I've got some old political propaganda from several parties, including stickers from the Vlaams Blok, and they are indeed often not of very good taste, but I really can't imagine that they ever sank so low as to use slogans like "all Moroccan women are whores". I was a kid in the 80s in Flanders, but I can’t remember having ever seen anything like the sticker you describe. I’ve got some old political propaganda from several parties, including stickers from the Vlaams Blok, and they are indeed often not of very good taste, but I really can’t imagine that they ever sank so low as to use slogans like “all Moroccan women are whores”.

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